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Australian Marriage Wars

Aug 12, 2015

If I were to have entitled this, “Australian Breathing Wars” most folks would have rightly said, “What!?” Why in the world would you fight over breathing? We all breathe, and it is silly in the extreme to even debate it. Yet that is just where we have come to with the issue of marriage and family.

For millennia we simply enjoyed marriage and family, and no one ever questioned these tremendous social goods, nor even dreamed of redefining them out of existence. But we live in bizarre times, where we now actually have to defend marriage and family against their many frenzied attackers.

So we have now had around 16 different bills introduced in Australia to gut the institution of marriage of its very heart. Marriage has always been about a man and a woman becoming husband and a wife, with the possibility of becoming a father and a mother.

That is what marriage is all about. It is a vital social institution which has existed long before the state even recognised it, to provide the best environment for any children conceived through the union of a man and a woman. Marriage is a pro-children institution which keeps spouses connected to each other and parents to their children.

ssm 15That is what marriage is, and that is what marriage does. So to pretend that two men can marry, or two women, is simply laughable. One might as well argue that two bowling balls can marry, or two sea urchins. Yet the social anarchists are working overtime to destroy marriage and family.

Thus far all the anti-marriage bills have been defeated, yet the activists neither eat nor sleep it seems. They are engaged in a war of attrition, seeking to wear down the other side by the constant bombardment of parliament with frivolous and time-wasting bills like this.

The latest, Bill Shorten’s private members’ bill, was offered in June, but is now back in the spotlight, following the US Supreme Court decision. Federal Labor not only has various homosexuals in its ranks, but has homosexual marriage as official party policy.

Instead of concentrating on the really vital issues of the day, be it health, or education, or national defence, the Labor party is again wasting our time with fake marriage. Their recent policy decision to allow a free vote on this is mere politics, as I explained elsewhere: billmuehlenberg.com/2015/07/27/the-australian-sodomy-party/

And of course it is a very temporary situation, with complete conformity soon to be the only option for hapless Labor MPs. So the pressure has been on Tony Abbott and the Coalition to deviate from their official policy (marriage being between a man and a woman only) and allow a conscience vote, in the hopes that the numbers will go the way of the activists.

Well, after a heated six-hour meeting yesterday, the Libs have voted to stay with their pro-marriage policy, and not have a free vote. As one news item put it:

The coalition party room has decided not to allow a free vote on same sex marriage. MPs voted against a conscience vote following a marathon six-hour joint party room meeting in Canberra tonight. Prime Minister Tony Abbott said: “There was strong support for the existing position … that marriage is between a man and a woman,” Mr Abbott said. He said roughly 60 MPs supported existing position, while 30 called for a conscience vote after a six-hour joint party room meeting.

The actual numbers were 66 in favour and 33 against. So this is a great win, but of course only a temporary win. Many from our side are cheering this outcome. And so we should. But it is merely one small battle in a much bigger, protracted war.

If we think for a moment that the other side will now simply shut up and go home, we are deluding ourselves. Indeed, the pressure is right back on the Prime Minister. Yet another bill, this time a cross-party bill put forward by Liberal Warren Entsch is still threatening to derail the party and allow the destruction of marriage.

So far Mr Abbott has stood strong, threatening any higher-up Libs with demotion if they cross the floor and vote for this. One news story describes the situation as follows:

Coalition frontbenchers who defy the agreed position to oppose gay marriage will be sacked, Tony Abbott says.
The Prime Minister this morning said if maverick MP Warren Entsch’s cross-party bill to legalise same-sex marriage did come to a vote in the parliament, ministers and parliamentary secretaries who voted for it would be demoted. “It is nevertheless the standard position of our party that if a frontbencher cannot support the party’s policy, that person has to leave the frontbench,” Mr Abbott told ABC radio….
Queensland Liberal National MP Warren Entsch who has pushed for marriage equality says he believes several of his colleagues will cross the floor to vote in favour of his same-sex marriage bill should it come to a vote. “I think there will be a handful of people on my side that will vote for this,” Mr Entsch told News Corp Australia this morning. “Absolutely I will be crossing the floor. But even with some support I don’t think the support is there to see it succeed.”

Bill Shorten of course jumped on all this, trying to scare the electorate with the claim that Abbott will never change on this. I hope he is right – he should never change on something as fundamental as this. And contrary to what Shorten thinks, I believe the majority of Australians would side with Abbott.

That is why if push comes to shove, a referendum should be held on this matter. As should be well-known, referendums for radical change do not go down well with most Australians, being handily defeated time and time again. Indeed, only 8 out of 44 referendums have gone through in the past century. The two most recent ones (which were both defeated) were held in 1999.

The lesser-used method of the plebiscite (usually non-binding and with optional voting) might also be on offer here:

Prime Minister Tony Abbott has thrown an olive branch to supporters of same-sex marriage, announcing the Coalition will look at holding a referendum or plebiscite on same-sex marriage to solve the issue once and for all.
While confirming that the Coalition party room had decided to keep binding MPs on same-sex marriage by a clear majority on Tuesday, Mr Abbott also said that the party had not “finalised a position to take to the next election”.
“We have finalised a position for the duration of this term,” he told reporters in a snap late-night press conference at Parliament House. In comments that set same-sex marriage up as a key election battleground next year, Mr Abbott also made a plea to voters who both support and oppose the reform.
“I think I can say arising out of today is that if you support the existing definition of marriage between a man and a woman, the Coalition is absolutely on your side but if you would like to see change at some time in the future, the Coalition is prepared to make that potentially possible,” he said.

Of course expect the mainstream media to continue to shrill for the minority activists. They continue to censor pro-marriage ads, and they ignore stories which are pro-marriage. For example, while the media is ever happy to cover anything having to do with homosexual rainbows, a symbolic message in support of marriage recently in Canberra was totally ignored by the MSM.

canberra 1As FamilyVoice comments:

“Our one-eyed media have a problem – they can see rainbows, but not flowers!” FamilyVoice Australia research officer Ros Phillips said today. “Canberra Airport, lit up with the colours of the spectrum, was beamed across the nation to promote same-sex marriage yesterday. But the display of thousands of flowers on Capital Hill, thanking the PM for standing firm for marriage’s time-honoured complementary meaning, was effectively invisible.
“Where is the fair and balanced reporting Australians expect and deserve? Why are TV stations airing ‘marriage equality’ ads, but refusing to show a gentle advertisement asking viewers to reconsider?” Ros Phillips said Sexton research reported in today’s Australian confirms that the mainstream media are out of step with public sentiment on this issue.
“The so-called ‘marriage equality’ campaign has featured on front pages and prime time TV for many months. You would expect most people would say it was a high priority issue,” she said. “But no – the Sexton survey found that it rated 13th, way below employment, the economy, the environment, education and health. This was so for those who strongly support same-sex marriage. Those who oppose it rated the issue slightly higher.”
The Sexton research showed that support for same-sex marriage has fallen from the 72% of last year’s Crosby/Textor poll to 59% today. “If Australians were allowed to know both sides of the debate, I would expect that figure to fall further,” Ros Phillips said. “I urge federal Coalition MPs to bear the Sexton research strongly in mind as they meet this afternoon to discuss the issue.”

So the war continues. We had a nice, albeit short-term win last night, but the battle continues. We must continue to support Tony Abbott on this. Certainly keep him in your prayers, but contact him as well. And while you are at it, contact your local MPs also.

Marriage is far too important to sit back and do nothing – act now.

www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/same-sex-marriage-tony-abbott-accused-of-party-branch-stacking/story-fn59niix-1227478763357
www.heraldsun.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/liberal-mp-warren-entsch-to-lead-way-with-cross-party-bill-on-same-sex-marriage/story-fni0dpm6-1227478518226
www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-flags-plebiscite-on-samesex-marriage-in-bid-to-defuse-anger-20150811-giwyg1.html
www.fava.org.au/news/2015/we-saw-the-rainbow-but-where-were-the-flowers/

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22 Responses to Australian Marriage Wars

  • Whilst Tony Abbott’s comment is encouraging in the present tense, viz “if you support the existing definition of marriage between a man and a woman, the Coalition is absolutely on your side”, I think it’s a shame that he added the words: “If you would like to see change at some time in the future, the Coalition is prepared to make that potentially possible”. Tony, please stop trying to please everybody. You have a tendency to weaken under pressure. Remain firm in your convictions, no matter what the opposition says or does!

  • Can I add Bill that at least one SA Liberal Senator (Anne Ruston) says she supports a conscience vote for party members on this issue but would vote against SSM. So of the 33 who voted for a free vote I suspect at least some would have voted against a change to definition of marriage.

  • The ABC constantly punish the Coalition and pour taxpayer wealth into shifting their polices towards the radical and keeping this issue, which most people don’t care about, in the headlines – what will it take to sell them off or shut them down?

  • There is an article on Fairfax which gives five reasons why a plebiscite or referendum is a “dud idea”. The unspoken sixth one is of course that the marriage-wreckers are terrified that the majority vote might be “no”.

  • To continue to encourage politicians to keep marriage as man and woman:
    www.pm.gov.au/contact-your-pm
    www.family.org.au/component/elookup/?task=selectEmailPoliticians&Itemid=487

  • We certainly need to pray for our Prime Minister. The pressure on him must be enormous. We also need to remember he is a politician and he is dependent on sufficient votes to keep him in office and there is a need to be seen to be open to the views of all the electorate. Some of his stances will be political ones that we might not understand the reasoning behind. Our responsibility is to encourage him and pray for him. We are blessed to have him.

  • The decision on same sex marriage in the Coalition party room was overwhelmingly in favour of maintaining a party vote in the Parliament. In fact some Liberals who supported the notion of a “free” vote on the issue may not necessarily have been in favour of same sex marriage. Rather they saw the matter as a procedural one.
    However even after all that, despite another private members bill being brought forward it will suffer the same fate as the much touted motion moved by Bill Shorten. It will not come to a vote without the Government allowing it to do so. This happens rarely as it did with Kevin Andrew’s euthanasia bill back in the mid 90’s.
    Now the Government is proposing what I strongly believe is the correct course of action, and that is a plebiscite after the next election. If, having been properly informed of the full implications of embarking on such a course, the majority of Australians agree then the matter will be resolved.

  • Agreed with your assessment Bill.

  • Thanks John. yes the majority of Australians oppose the destruction of marriage, and a referendum or plebiscite on this would settle the matter. But that does not mean for one second that the activists (including the Greens and Labor) would stop pushing this. They are hell-bent (literally) on pushing this at all costs. As Martin Luther once said: “There is no estate to which Satan is more opposed than marriage.”

  • Well said Lesley, our Prime Minister needs to be congratulated for standing strong against enormous opposition within his own party and from without being the media; Cometh the Hour Cometh the Man.

    His back has really been to the wall with opinion polls placing the coalition well behind Labor and Mr Abbott’s approval rating down as well and yet he did not buckle, he stood strong when Australia needed him.

  • I would encourage everyone to email Warren Entsch to let him know what we think of his stance to bring down the institution of marriage and to cause trouble for Mr Abbott:

    warren.entsch.mp@aph.gov.au

    Thanks
    Andrew

  • Equal rights for sea urchins and bowling balls? But surely that’s absurd!!

  • Based on news reports it is like the Liberal party is at war with itself. Talk about biased reporting. Thankfully Tony Abbot has kept strong on this issue.

  • Unfortunately our local Nationals member is pro gay mirage (to use Doug Wilson’s phrase).
    I work for a non-profit, supposedly caring for people and families, but everyone is pro gay mirage, pro abortion, pro euthanasia, pro prostitution. When I’ve tried to explain why gay mirage is wrong I just get vacuous stares and then the mantra “but it’s marriage equality” . Very frustrating that people don’t want to know the truth nor even care.

  • We should not forget cases such as the Mark J Newton one where the Queensland, ABC’s poster boys for homosexual parenting were found to not only be sexually abusing the small boy they were supposed to be parenting but arranging for others to do likewise and putting child pornography of the abuse on the internet. This was how the NZ police force was able to discover the problem. Had they not published the material on the internet they would probably still be abusing the child and still be promoted by the ABC as ideal homosexual parents, so there are probably still cases not yet discovered. How does the Labor Party intend to do anything about this? Something like the “Named Person” scheme in the UK where it is proposed that the government will allocate people to check on what is happening in families? As yet they have simply not even mentioned that the problems exist let alone proposed any legislation to address the issues. What about the use in Europe of fake homosexual marriages as a perfect mechanism for immigration fraud? What about the removal of standing under the law for biological ties? If we say that as a general rule children should be kept with their biological parents then this is in complete conflict with homosexual “marriage” so do we then take that right away and give all authority in these matters to government agencies such as the courts? What would happen if Penny Wong split with her partner and wanted custody? Would the courts favour the biological parent or say because Ms Wong has so much power and income then it would be better for the children to be in her custody? Then, of course, there is the removal of rights for religious groups and moral people that Penny Wong said was an issue but if you look at what she tried to do as assistant to the Attorney General under Nicola Roxburg, you see that what she was doing was the direct opposite. Then there is the rights of children – should we have “Social Parent X and Social Parent Y” plus “Biological Mother” and Biological Father” on birth certificates so children have access at least, to their biological heritage? What about surrogacy and artificial insemination problems plus the basic truth that homosexual relationships are actually the direct opposite of marriage in that they do the opposite of uniting a natural family by their blood ties. If you listen to the ABC and MSM then apparently these and the multitude of other problems don’t exist. All we get is the same old, closed minded attitude and the same old discredited arguments about claiming equality for something that simply is not equal.

  • Thanks Bill for being such a strong voice about this.

  • Michael, you’ve raised some excellent points – questions that are never voiced by the ABC, of course. For a channel that claims to be objective, I’ve never seen a more biased representation of Australian citizens at large! These scenarios you’ve raised are very real ones, and cannot afford to be swept under the carpet along with all the other ABC ‘fluff’!

  • Can hardly believe this lady was allowed on the ABC but here it is…. I must be dreaming….

    Tony Jones speaks with Katy Faust, raised by lesbian parents in Australia to lobby against same sex marriage.

    www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-12/interview-katy-faust-who-serves-on-the-academic/6693296

  • I just sent messages of support to Tony Abbott, and my local federal Liberal MP.

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